Zur Entstehungsgeschichte der Orgonomie (Teil 14)

 

EIN QUERSCHNITT DURCH DAS SCHAFFEN JEROME EDENs: Funktionelle Betrachtungen zu Verbrennung und Erstrahlung

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11 Antworten to “Zur Entstehungsgeschichte der Orgonomie (Teil 14)”

  1. Peter Nasselstein Says:

  2. Tzindaro Says:

    There are several problems with orgone therapy. One is that it is still, after all these years, not yet proven to do any good. There are only the personal subjective impressions of patients who say it has helped them and practioners who say they have seen good results from it, but nowhere can you find a controlled study showing good results. To date, no orgonomist has done such a study, or if one has, the findings have not been made public.

    Anecdotal accounts are not evidence. There is only one way to convince the scientific and medical profession that orgone therapy is of any value, and that is by a controlled study, not by anecdotes.

    A second problem is that the orgonomists tend to present their own personal political ideologies as examples of health and to claim any other political views are an example of mental illness. In partcular, the claim is frequently heard in far right orgonomic circles that communism or socialism, or in some cases even any form of liberal political sympathies at all, favoring humane and decent treatment of Middle Eastern refugees, for example, is a sample of what they call Emotional Plague, a diagnosis they apply to nearly anyone on the left of the political spectrum. This politicalization and the implication that a supposed therapy can and should turn people towards the political views of the therapist relegates orgone therapy to the status of a technique of brainwashing and removes it from the catagory of a medical treatment entirely.

    Orgone therapy needs two things: controlled studies to find out if it is effective or not, and to drop the political baggage it inherited from Reich and grow up to realize there are honest difference of opinion on public matters between honest and decent people, and callng names disguiised as medical diagnoses is not the way adults settle such disputes.

    • Robert (Berlin) Says:

      „In partcular, the claim is frequently heard in far right orgonomic circles that communism or socialism, or in some cases even any form of liberal political sympathies at all, favoring humane and decent treatment of Middle Eastern refugees, for example, is a sample of what they call Emotional Plague, a diagnosis they apply to nearly anyone on the left of the political spectrum.“

      There are no right-wing extremist orgonomists, but a bunch of left-wing crackpots who claim to be orgonomists. Real refugees from the Middle East are a maximum of 1% in Germany, the rest are fraudsters. Real refugees like Christians are abandoned. You talk like a left-wing utopian and have no idea of the conditions in Europe.

  3. Peter Nasselstein Says:

    Wichtiger erklärender Text:

    http://dzogorg.blogspot.com/2018/09/penny-und-emil-caccavo-teil-1.html

    Übrigens hat Reich zur der Zeit noch nicht gesoffen und ohnehin vermengt sich einiges aus selbst erfahrenem mit nachträglich angelesenem.

  4. Tzindaro Says:

    There are NO right wing extremist orgonomists? I must not have met the same ones you have. Almost all of them fall on the right of the political spectrum, usually very far to the right. I can think of only one who is on the Left.

    But if orgonomy is to be considered at all a science, it must be open to including both sides of the spectrum. A science is apolitical. Nobody can excommunicate anyone from a scientific discipline because of their politics. If orgonomy is going to do that, it is nothing but another cult, just as the Skeptics Society says it is.

    I have some experience with people from the Middle East. I have traveled in Turkey, Jordan, Israel, and Syria, as well as India, and as a student I once roomed with a Jordanian student for several months. He is now a pilot for Royal Jordanian Airlines. He was very shy with women and could not bring himself to strike up a conversation with a girl he found attractive. He said his prayers if someone reminded him it was time for them, but frequently forgot them otherwise. His political views were about the same as the other students, namely, rather cynical and skeptical about the intentions of politicians.

    I have also lived for over a year in Den Haag, in the Netherlands. The last time I looked at a map, that was part of Europe, so I think I have some first hand experience with conditions there.

    And I am not a leftist. I am in favor of the death penalty and the right to bear arms, against affirmative action, and think so-called transexuals are bloody insane. I also think global warming is a moral panic, not anything real. And I would like to see all American Indian tribes assimilated into the mainstream culture and their reservations returned to the Federal Government. Does any of that sound like I am on the Left?

    My position on immigration, for both Europe and North America, is that individual human beings have a fundamental right to live wherever they please. This is all one planet and national borders are a fiction. That holds true regardless of where they are from or what their skin color may be.

    But that does not mean they have a right to bring their previous religion or culture with them. I would have no problem with telling people from the Middle East they themselves are welcome, but they have to leave their religion at home. If Halal or Kosher food was made illegal, or circumcision outlawed, or preaching the Muslim religion was banned, I see nothing wrong with such measures to require cultural conformity to Western values. In fact, I would consider it a step in the right direction, towards the eventual goal of outlawing all religions since they are all more or less equally harmful and will hopefully someday be abolished.

    But to single out one particular religion as the Devil, as is frequently seen here, is only to fall for the lies of the American propaganda machine and what it says about its enemy of the day. One would have expected better from people whose thinking is unconventional enough to accept orgonomy.

    • Robert (Berlin) Says:

      Es ist ein großer Unterschied, ob man als Tourist in arabische Staaten reist, oder ob man in einem islamisierten Viertel in der eigenen Heimat leben muss. Ich bin immer wieder frappiert über die Dummheit von Akademikern, die ihre akademischen Kollegen aus der arabischen Oberschicht mit den analphabetischen Einwanderern aus der muslimischen Welt gleichsetzen. Die einfachen Bürger im Westen können nicht fliehen und müssen mit der Hölle leben, die ihnen die linken Gutmenschen aufgezwungen haben.
      Sag mir nur eine einzige rechtsextreme Position des ACO.

    • Peter Nasselstein Says:

      Tzindaro lebt in der Vergangenheit:

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